Wednesday, March 26, 2008

Denis Coderre And The Quebec Liberal Party

At the Liberal Leadership Convention I spent the first morning being a Kennedy campaign volunteer to help make sure Kennedy delegates got registered properly and there were no problems. It was five hours of mostly watching the thousands of Liberals stream through. In my time I saw many notable Liberals, party officials, Senators, MPs, and many past politicians.

One such notable MP who came to my side of the room was Denis Coderre, a Quebec MP and at the time an Ignatieff supporter. I never spoke to him, but I did observe the registration. I wasn't the only one who was impressed, the registrator was asking Mr. Coderre question after question, and to his credit, Denis was quite obliging. Among many other things that were discussed, I heard the registrator ask Coderre what he thought of Dion and his chances of winning. Coderre, with a disgusted look on his face said, "This is Quebec, Dion won't win. They would revolt in the streets. The Liberal Party would be dead."

I believe these comments of Coderre were just the tip of his feelings for Dion and a Party under his leadership. I believe Coderre has and is playing a behind-the-scenes role in this most urgent Liberal disaster in Quebec. Mr. Coderre has shown his disdain for the Liberal Party under Stephane Dion, the most public was when he refused to be the Party's Quebec Lieutenant (Which could be because he knew the wing was a mess).

I in no way want to point a finger, I want a strong Liberal Party, and it is clear there are Party members who are causing inside strife. I have no real proof other then what I heard, and all that I heard could be chalked up to Leadership bravado, but when other things are considered, I believe Denis Coderre has more to do with the situation in Quebec then most people think.

20 comments:

James Curran said...

Well written my friend.

Anonymous said...

At what point do we stop just assuming that these are all just a bunch of random trouble makers acting alone and call on Ignatieff to either cut these people loose or lose his position as deputy leader?

Anonymous said...

"This is Quebec, Dion won't win. They would revolt in the streets. The Liberal Party would be dead."

Sounds like prophecy now. Just kidding.

Anonymous said...

Coderre is being proven right.

Dion has no control of the Party in Quebec. He should step aside and let Michael Ignatieff assume the leadership that should have been his 18 months ago.

Anonymous said...

Denis Coderre is the reason I voted for Dion and not for Ignatieff.

I know of abot 50 others who would say the same.

Anonymous said...

Last I checked there were nine other provinces in Canada, too...

Anonymous said...

Denis was specifically referring to Dion not winning the leadership and how Quebec would revolt if he did. It could be possible Denis proposed a self-fulfilling prophecy.
-scott

Justin Socie said...

Dion has no control of the Party in Quebec. He should step aside and let Michael Ignatieff assume the leadership that should have been his 18 months ago.

I can't quite figure out if this person is being funny, in a 'this is how these people think' kind of way, or if they actually genuinely have this bizarre sense of entitlement.

Anonymous said...

JS: I don't think he was trying to be funny. It's pretty bad (of certain liberals, not the situation of the party) that I can't say with certainty it wasn't a liberal commenter, because I know a couple of Liberals who would and have said the same thing.

I think now would not be a bad time for Ignatieff to do a little unity speech for Dion. It would strengthen the party and possibly boost Dion and though it would decrease his chances of being leader anytime soon, it would make him look good.

But I don't see that happening soon.
-scott

Anonymous said...

I was at the convention as a Dion volunteer and ballot counting scutineer.

There was real camaraderie amongst all camps - except Iggys. They seemd to be surly - esp. as the convention went on and it became obvious that their man would lose. (There were exceptions to the rule and I met some real nice Iggy supporters including Marc Lalonde.)
The young Iggy folks seemed to think that they had come for a coronation.

BTW, esp. impressive were the Orchard folks folks working for Dion.
We made a huge bobo in Sask. that will hurt us across the country.

me dere robert said...

I'm not a big fan of Coderre either but the allegations with no proof whatsoever aren't helping.

Jim said...

I very seldom use the word hate...but I HATE Denis Coderre. He is a sorry excuse for an MP and a Hizbullah supporting POS.

If the Libs ever regain power and make this asshole Minister of Defence I will apply to the US for refugee status, for the Canada I love will be gone.

Anonymous said...

Me Dere Rob: I don't see how me repeating Denis Coderre's comments, and suggesting he has more to do with the upheaval in Quebec hurts anyone. Especially when I tempered what I said with suggesting possible excuses for his actions.

I did make the conscious decision to write this post because I feel those who are behind the problems in Quebec need to be identified.
-scott

Anonymous said...

All this "BS" conspiracy theories are getting tiresome and quite frankly hurting the party.

Anonymous said...

Well, Dion better start proving everyone else is wrong about his leadership abilities and SOON.

Anonymous said...

anon: "All this "BS" conspiracy theories are getting tiresome and quite frankly hurting the party." How is my recalling what he said and suggesting Coderre is behind the recent Quebec problem hurting anyone? especially when I include other explanations of his actions?
-scott

Demosthenes said...

This doesn't seem terribly hard to understand.

Iggy appealed to soft nationalists with that "Quebec is a nation" stuff. Dion was against it--for good reason--and didn't court their support. They expected their choice to be decisive. It wasn't.

They've been working to ensure that it will be ever since, and that any and all defiance will be ruthlessly punished. Since they were so assiduously courted by Paul Martin during his leadership bid, they have the wherewithal to do so. The Liberal party (and Canada) has been suffering ever since.

me dere robert said...

You'll see when Jane Taber writes "Some anonymous Liberals believe Dennis Coderre is behind the recent outburst against the leader."

It's pretty obvious that these conspiracy theories aren't doing the Liberals much good and are just playing into the attacks on Dion's leadership abilities.

"I did make the conscious decision to write this post because I feel those who are behind the problems in Quebec need to be identified."

Also, stating that you heard Coderre say at the convention that he didn't think Dion as leader would go over well in Quebec is hardly proof that Coderre is creating all these problems. I hope your career goals are not to become a detective.

Anonymous said...

Robert: How can me repeating what I heard possibly "play into the attacks on Dion's leadership abilities." First it's a fact these attacks are taking place, second Denis Coderre saying Dion won't win Quebec isn't strengthening the attacks against Dion, it is a possible attack against Dion.

To address the attacks, Dion and other Liberals should know who is responsible for the attacks. So how could identifying Coderre as a likely candidate hurt?

Especially considering the evidence of which I did not solely base it upon, such as news stories of Coderre last summer.

-scott

Anonymous said...

Coderre is a f*cking moron for demanding the Tories to force the CBC to keep the hockey night in canada theme song.

Dion should have the balls to kick him out of the party.