Friday, April 02, 2010

Things Never Change: Holocausts And Complacency

Today video has surfaced from a protest, and though it directly depicts a confrontation between a small segment of society it indirectly exposes an inherent problem with humanity, and that is, sometimes we don't care.

The video recorded by and featured on the blog Blazing Cat Fur shows a young Arabic man shouting with protesters from the Jewish Defense League. In the loud uproar it is clearly heard that this young man shouts, "You guys need another Holocaust." And where no one can question how evil of a statement that is and the horrors implied by that suggestion, the reaction that follows in the video from the protesters is something that merits sadness for the human species.

For after World War II where the allied forces and the whole world bared witness to the atrocities that the Holocaust brought, it was uttered by all mankind, never again. Never again would we allow something like this to happen, never again would we be complacent. However just as this video shows the inherent hate in humans that is prone to such evil, it also shows the inherent complacency that allows it to occur.

For the video shows that after this young man declared another holocaust was needed, the cameraman and those with him expressed no outrage, made no comments about how wrong the statement was, did not act in anyway, instead these people expressed happiness, expressed joy that they got it on tape.

The cameraman referred to as the blogger Blazing Cat Fur has affirmed he immediately expressed happiness upon taping such hateful language, and I am left wondering how is that no outrage can be made, no humanity expressed to such a horrific statement, only joy? What a sad world.

31 comments:

Michael Brand said...

You're correct Scott, there is a loss of humanity.
 
Can you find me a "liberal" politician that has spoken out against the hatred for jewish people?
 
Have you ever checked out the liberal blogs like daily kos, huffington post for their lack of humanity against the jewish population?
 
It's a sad day for humanity when people complain not about a hater and his hate speech, but about a woman camera-person not confronting someone that wants to kill people. Strange, I didn't see you in that video confronting him, will that be the next video you upload to your youtube page, I doubt it.

Anyong said...

"and that is, sometimes we don't care." I have to disagree with you and say it is most of the time we don't care.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Michael Brand can you do some work for me to change the subject? Can I ask you, as a complete stranger to go do something just to completely change the subject from the purpose of the above post? To spend your time on the beck and call of some unknown commenter?

The above post related to the video, you can rant all you want about how Liberals, monkeys, and guys named Frank don't care about Jews, but realize just because you say something doesn't make it true.

Patrick Ross said...

Quite frankly, Scott, isn't that precisely what you're doing here? Changing the subject?

We have, on tape, an individual affiliated with a government-funded organization screaming "you guys need another Holocaust" and "we love Jihad, we love killing you".

Say what you will about the attitudes of those holding the camera. But they aren't the ones spewing hate speech.

(And remember kids: Ann Coulter is the dangerous reactionary.)

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Patrick you're clearly right I did change the subject.

I wrote a post on one thing then proceeded to change the subject by talking about the samething.

Patrick whenever you finish that textbook on "Logic, who needs it?" I'll be the first one in line.

Patrick Ross said...

Really, Scott, so this is you not the subject?

Good show.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Patrick I agree with with you buddy.

Clearly when you said "Quite frankly, Scott, isn't that precisely what you're doing here? Changing the subject?"? You were talking about comments I left on other websites and not this post on which you commented.

Obviously for you, here means there, if here didn't mean there, you would have responded there, but you didn't. So again I agree with you, I cannot compete with your mastery of logic.

But I beg you Patrick do not let my surrender stop you from educating me and the world.

Patrick Ross said...

Scott, I was speaking about the overall discussion of this topic.

But don't you find it amusing that you object to Michael Brand commenting on your blog and changing the subject, when you indulged yourself in that very practice elsewhere, in commentary that you continued here?

Oh, pardon me, Scott. I guess that thought might distract you from nitpicking each word of my comment.

By all means, carry on.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Patrick, what I love about you is that most people would comment on comments they want to respond to, but you, you comment on other posts talking about other things.

If you want to comment on other comments I made elsewhere, comment on them there, but please most people can't really understand the logic of how here, means there. I know it's really dumb of them but I hope you can understand.

Again to clarify, you suggest I changed the story at Blazing Cat Fur, then comment there. I couldn't have changed the story here... Because it's my story.

You're the best Patrick Ross.

Patrick Ross said...

Right.

Scott, that's a nice attempt to evade the point, but I'm afraid I'll have to hold you to it.

Don't you find it a little hypocritical that you don't want Michael Brand changing the topic on you here, but you want to change the topic at will everywhere else?

Patrick Ross said...

And since you love to change the topic so much, Scott, let's change it again.

Do you think it proper for a publicly-funded organization to be hosting a speaker who has said he would celebrate a genocidal nuclear attack?

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Patrick Ross you win. How can I evade someone when I'm constrained by logic? You on the otherhand have finally reached the pinnacle of mankind, you have recognized that 2+2 doesn't have to equal 4, that here means there.

You are truly a god among men. It is clear, when you comment here, you are commenting there.

When I write a blog post I do change the subject. In fact with every new blog post I write, I change the subject, so you win Patrick. I lose. My only comfort is that I was bested by the Patrick Ross.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Patrick I think in all honesty I and all the people I've had read our exchange are just too dumb for you. My only hope is that some day in the future they genetically engineer someone worthy of your intellectual debates.

Patrick Ross said...

Scott, it's pretty clear that you aren't constrained by logic. In fact, you're interesting in nothing of the sort.

The argument that you raise in this post, for example, isn't actually an implicitly logical argument. Instead of addressing the remarks of the individuals in question, you instead raised a point that was intended to provoke discomfort -- an emotion -- in those who have posted this video.

Does that those in the video are pleased to have gotten video proof of the kinds of statements coming from individuals affiliated with Palestine House really change anything about those comments?

No. It does not.

So I'll ask you again, Scott, and hopefully you won't evade the question -- after all, in changing the topic, I'm only doing what you love best!

Do you think it's proper for an organization that is the beneficiary of public funds to be hosting a speaker who said he would celebrate a genocidal nuclear attack?

Chris said...

Patrick, I clearly understand what you saying and this entire thread has been a very funny read.

Scott, you should have no problems if you ever get elected to a public office.

Patrick Ross said...

Getting elected, however, will be quite the feat for Scotty Ross.

I mean, if you can't just denounce someone who said he would celebrate a genocide -- if you have to dodge that basic a question?

No chance in hell.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

In all honesty and being serious, Patrick you are insulting me now. Did you not read my post? Did I not denounce the actions of the young Arabic man? I not only referred to his statements as hateful but as evil.

For you to suggest I did not denounce someone who wished another holocaust is a lie and if you continue I will not continue this discussion.

Chris said...

Scott, I believe the point is that you are not focusing your outrage on the right individual. For some reason you take the person taping the video as complacent and at the same time joyful. How is this possible? If he was joyful it was because he caught this man on camera saying something clearly offensive, and that meant could NOT be complacent by letting the entire world see it on the internet. Also this is not the first, second, or third time something offensive like this has been uttered by a Pro-Palestinian person before; in fact, you can find plenty of reports from Palestinian leaders as well as leaders from other countries saying the exact same thing. If you honestly believe humanity is being complacent and another Holocaust is on the horizon, then you are clearly out of touch with how the world works in 2010 (which is slightly different than 1935).

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Chris if you're telling me there's not another holocaust coming then I have a bomb shelter I'm glad I kept the receipt on.

Now in regards to your version of Patrick Ross's clearly superior argument I would respond that I think witnessing evil and not doing anything including expressing any measure of disgust is something worthy of commenting on. If you are suggesting I had to write a few posts blasting the young Arabic guy before I was justified in blasting the camera guy, we have differing opinions.

I wrote my comments and I wrote the above post because I believe the cameraman's reaction is of a larger concern. The young Arabs comments are obviously horrific and are expressed by a small minority. The cameraman's reaction however represents a wider segment of society, that is not so much disgusted by evil but entertained by it.

Chris said...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the international community would allow another Holocaust to happen. Never again is never again, as you said. The Middle East is a huge focus of foreign policy of all of the major players in the world.

On what basis is the cameraman's reaction a representation of the wider part of society?

The cameraman has already explained to you that there was nothing he do from the onset because of the police presence. You have chosen to attack the very person who highlights the hatred for you to see on the internet -- and your complaint? That he is too complacent about the hatred being spewed. HE POSTED THE VIDEO ON THE INTERNET AND IT HAS BEEN LINKED TO MANY WELL TRAVELED INTERNET NEW SITES. His disgust is a blog post that thousands (maybe even millions) more people will see and find repulsive. If anything, he should be a friggin' hero to you. You don't need five post condemning the arab man, you just didn't need this post because it is pointless and is pure hyperbole.

Chris said...

That was supposed to say NEWS SITES, by the way.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Oh Chris atta boy! Here I thought no one could rival Patrick Ross, yet you took to the plate and hit a homer.

You're right, my post is hyperbolic and pointless. I think everyone in society should do what the cameraman did and just be happy we got it on tape.

Thank you Chris you've really opened up my eyes on this one. I should just shut up and let people not care about others not caring. Heck it'll give me more time to watch more videos on YouTube and never have to stand up for anybody or anything.

Chris said...

How can you say the reaction of one cameraman is indication that the majority of people are complacent about the Holocaust?

Here's what the cameraman wrote: "Not a word about the fact that Palestine House is an Islamist Front organization subsidized to the tune of several million Canadian Tax dollars to spread hate."

Back story, you see. The fact that he caught a member of Palestine House on tape saying what he said was an accomplishment -- posting it on the internet is his way of exposing the people who hate Jews. Maybe he didn't cross the street and punch the guy in the face, but when have you seen that actually happen? You say no one cared, but in the video you clearly hear multiple people shout back.

Everything you are complaining about was done. But still, you are so in touch with the heartbeat of society to know better than the clear and rational argument I have laid out for you.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Oh Chris my stethescope has long been busted, I can't feel my heart beat let alone society's. Thus forgive me if I can not grasp your arguments logical appeal.

I should ask you, as you must know my written word better than I, when did I suggest people were complacent with the Holocaust?

I thought I had suggested people were instead complacent with the horrific statement. Jeez I must be such an ignoramus for not knowing what I said huh? I hope you never have that problem, you know of not knowing what you're talking about.

This video, your reaction, as well as others I've seen, confirms the historic tendency of human beings, we're complacent until it's too late.

Chris said...

"For the video shows that after this young man declared another holocaust was needed, the cameraman and those with him expressed no outrage, made no comments about how wrong the statement was, did not act in anyway, instead these people expressed happiness, expressed joy that they got it on tape."

Written by: You

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Chris I apologize, I seem to differentiate statements about needing another holocaust and an actual event that occurred in the 1930s and 40s. I am sorry, it's my fault for thinking hateful words are different from 6 million jews being murdered.

It's clearly my fault, I should have been clearer, I should have said, "the cameraman and those with him expressed no outrage, made no comments about how wrong the statement was"... Oh wait... I did.

Chris said...

And what was horrific about the statement?

A statement does not cause emotional response. The content of a statement, however, does.

You claimed here that the cameraman expressed no outrage: "The cameraman referred to as the blogger Blazing Cat Fur has affirmed he immediately expressed happiness upon taping such hateful language, and I am left wondering how is that no outrage can be made, no humanity expressed to such a horrific statement, only joy?"

He clearly does show outrage in his blog that you linked to. The one you got the video from. Here's where I end this conversation.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Chris I don't know how many times I can say you're right, once? twice? a gazillion?

You're right, statements have never caused emotional responses. I remember just yesterday Joe was complaining to me saying a guy told him to F--- Off, and I said, "Well don't get all emotional here, let's see I know F--- Off was the statement, but hmmm what was the content?" If I had known you I could have relied on your superior intellect to tell me how content can be magically different from the statement.

As for the blogger never expressing outrage, I don't think I said that, but again you know what I typed better than I. What I meant to say was "the blogger Blazing Cat Fur has affirmed he immediately expressed happiness upon taping such hateful language."

I don't know if you caught that but I emphasized the "immediately" part. So yeah that's what I originally intended to write... I really wish I had, so I wouldn't have been wrong again.

Patrick Ross said...

"In all honesty and being serious, Patrick you are insulting me now. Did you not read my post? Did I not denounce the actions of the young Arabic man? I not only referred to his statements as hateful but as evil.

For you to suggest I did not denounce someone who wished another holocaust is a lie and if you continue I will not continue this discussion.
"

Fine, then, Scott. Don't continue the conversation.

Conversations with you don't seem to go anywhere since you got humiliated during the "proroguation vacation" post.

(By the way, I'll remind you that I made every single effort to be gracious with you on that occasion.)

The fact is, Scott, that I asked you if taxpayer funds should go to groups that invite people who say they will celebrate nuclear genocide. You declined to answer that question.

You couldn't answer a question about whether or not faxpayer funds should support speeches by such individuals. Instead, you decided to try to evade the question by showboating.

That speaks for itself. If your new solution to the untenable situation you've placed yourself in is to whine about, I suggest you whine to someone with the patience for it.

thescottross.blogspot.com said...

Patrick Ross I'll take that an admission you retract your statement that I didn't rebuke the young Arabic man's words, and I accept your apology. You are a role model for all commenters.

Happy Easter

Patrick Ross said...

Scott, you've shown that you can interpret all sorts of things all sorts of ways without logic or facts acting as a constraint.

This wouldn't be the first time.

At the end of the day, Scott, you have yet to address the question of whether or not public funds should support speeches by those who promise to celebrate nuclear genocide.

Honestly, Scott: what is anyone to think about that?